So we're even! As a drummer, he's all about paradox and contrast: an irresistible blending of Charlie Watts' solid understatement with John Bonham's raw go-for-the-throat power, either of which might turn and rear its head within a single verse. What is important is your musical contribution, and to do your job. I tried being late to rehearsals like everybody elseI tried to act disinterestedbut it all backfired on me! Great attitude, he knows how funny this shit is, he knows it's all Spinal Tap. I've been extremely curious about what's gonna happen if? There are things I could have handled better, specifically with Mike. All rights reserved. 2023 Rolling Stone, LLC. Later on, Stan Lynch worked with many other prominent names like the Eagles, Eddie Money, Toto, and Ringo Starr. And I couldnt wait for it to end, he said, sipping his coffee. When a Tom Petty record came out, it was an event. And then kind of pushed me in. Double Platinum Supporting Member. It comes up in weird ways. But if you changed you'd be compromising what you've been all about. The classic situation of midlife pinning a person down to the mat. Go to AA meetings, whatever it takes! Now all those fans have got good reason to celebrate. If its just one or two of us, thats one thing. Other guys, it looks like they went to business school to be rock stars. Come and get it!" It never felt that strange. Most people collaborate, and sometimes I've been in collaborations where the person is basically just using me as a sounding board, and that's all that's required. 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Thats a long run to have someone in your life one way or another., Campbell sent over the two recent albums he released with his longtime backing band the Dirty Knobs, 2020s Wreckless Abandon and 2022s External Combustion, and told him to learn the songs. Id rather hear the old songs with the real singer.. But I really had to let go of it or else I would walk around constantly trying to tell people who I used to be. He described us as not his main gig. But hes never really opened up about his split with Petty and the band. They got me a Beatles magazine from 1965, the year I was born. Last night, after a day of interviews, he sat alone in his hotel room, pensive and moody, until sunrise. When Tom Petty was asked to describe original Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch in the 2005 book Conversations With Tom Petty, the bandleader responded with, "Stan. His aunt hounds him for autographs at funerals. So you pick a really good time, when everybody's sober, when you've got everyone's attention, and usually you preface it with a lot of love and caring, or a desire to see a full life with them. Zanes, now fifty, was telling the tale the other day, while ducking out of the rain for coffee at Benvenuto Caf, in Tribeca. It doesn't mean that they suck; it means that that particular season they were reading the pitches all wrong! Like God, I couldn't believe it, we'd get off a bus and people would be screaming and yelling and I couldn't fucking believe it! That is the fuckin' ride. I think life is different at that altitude. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Very cool @DanRH. And I'm going [excitedly], "We're making 300 a week!" Tensions were thick backstage at the Bridge School Benefit, but the Heartbreakers still delivered an incredibly moving acoustic set featuring You Dont Know How It Feels, I Wont Back Down, Free Fallin' and, appropriately enough, Time To Move On. Heres a gorgeous rendition of Learning To Fly. Nobody knew it at the time, but it was Lynchs final gig with the band. LikeEverclear - Art Alexakis is talented! And I interpret that in any way I can: that means spiritually, financially, they know the rudiments, they know their scalesthey've done their homework! The other obvious question. A lot of the times Id just be focused on what I was doing, but then Id turn around and be like, My God, its Lynch and hes fuckin smoking it! And so I have regrets, but they dont hold me back. If you listen to the old records, Stan and I are pushing, were locked, and lot of times were driving the songs. It wasn't a valid thing, there was no business to back me up on that. You haven't taken it too seriously.Oh, no! He is from OH. There are times I wish that Petty was more of a self-promoter if only so that his songs could travel a little more widely. Pettys also addicted, and he gets to work his way out of his. Hi! I didn't know that there were good and bad ways to make it. By virtue of his band staying together and the quality of the musicians, the Heartbreakers are a singular story in popular music. It's like a pro sports athlete. Receive updates & special offers from Modern Drummer and our advertising partners. Stan Lynch joined Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers in 1974 when Pettys piano player Benmont Tench recruited him. Otherwise it can becomeit's just fetishism, it's just "This is my personal fantasy"of what everyone will love. I keep going back to this band and I cant help but feel like the reason the Heartbreakers wont die, cant die, is because Pettys family was so dysfunctional. A couple things. I wish somebody had told me that. Sometimes I would hear stuff and it was just so sad. You have left the Del Fuegos. Another intense moment in the show is Southern Accents. Midway through the tour, Campbell changed the lyrics from Theres a dream I keep having where my mama comes to me/And kneels over by the window and says a prayer for me to Theres a dream I keep having where my brother comes to me Its a change of just one word, but its had a profound impact on the crowd. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. So I'd say on the way to success: doubt. Ive seen enough that I know that I dont need to see much more Bigger isnt better.. Stan Lynch by Patrick Berkery When Tom Petty was asked to describe original Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch in the 2005 book Conversations With Tom Petty, the bandleader responded with, "Stan. . They get busy trying to control the story. Stan and I had some personal conflicts with family here and there, he says. It's two immovable objects that hit each other at 100 miles an hour, what is gonna happen? And I said "Hey man, it must be fun working with so-and-so", and he goes, "Yeah, thank God I sold a shitload of records 'cause now I can hang around and make records till the money runs out!" Books: * Bill the Boy Wonder: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman (nonfiction picture book); illustrated by Ty Templeton . Over and over and over and over and over. In light of your experience of being in a band for so long, what advice would you give to band leaders to help the chemistry; what do you think is the best possible way to bring out everybody's creativity in a band situation?The truth of the matter is the best bands, including the Beatles and the Stones and the Who, have a core of creative fire to them that needs to be nurtured before the other people need to be nurtured. April 25, 2022 Andrew Gulden 1. And on the far end of success: not having that doubt, taking yourself so seriously that you refuse to even believe that there's a chink in your armor and that you're real. It may be time to change channels. Your contract. It was just, it was never that harsh to me! Is there an example of Stan Lynch being behind the beat on a Tom Petty song? To that end, Stan opens up the treasure trove, eager to share his secrets for maintaining vitality and integrity in a business that can easily rob the unsuspecting of both. He had had encounters with people who did heroin, and he hit a point in his life when he did not know what to do with the pain he was feeling. They tried to help him. Don't even mourn it when it goes; don't cry about it, if it explodes, let it go, just go "What a great moment!" But he said, Its your book. Pick up the May 2008 issue of Modern Drummer at music stores, book stores, and newsstands everywhere! When I heard from Mike, I almost said, Thats probably not a good fit, but I appreciate the offer. We grew up loving Tom Petty more than his contemporaries. Opt out through the unsubscribe link in any marketing email. Sojust pick a time. So you spend so much energy worrying about itif I knew at 20 that, hell, I was gonna be okay, and be sitting in front of the fire at 45God, I could have saved myself so many gray hairs and brain blowouts, you know! His father beats him. Hell, it certainly hurts when you spend a year and the record isn't noticed. Zanes spoke by telephone about Petty.. I felt like all of the uniforms and emotional and metaphysical stuff about being a drummer, Id sort of outgrown. 82.4 KB Views: 214. For Zanes, the tour should have been heaven on earth. The Del Fuegos were originally an Oberlin band that Dan Zanes, Warrens older brother, started with some college friends; Warren joined after Andover. It's like, Mick needs Keith. The interview was conducted by Jeff Sims, guitarist of the Dixie Desperados and lifelong friend of Lynch's. Lynch and Sims attended Westwood Middle School in the 1960s and would play music. [laughter] You know, mining the same belly button lint for the 10,000th time. When the director of Goodfellas decided to make Personality Crisis, a documentary about David Johansen and his alter ego, Buster Poindexter, he wanted it to be a family affair. When I hear that old shit on the radio I can't believe that it's part of the musical vernacular, that it's been accepted for so long as real. If you're in it to make as much money as possible, that's a question you would really have to consider. I was playing way too much, trying way too hard. You just say well, you coulda done, or you shoulda done, or would youand what you're really saying is "Why didn't you do it my way?" Because the problem is when you're young, it's make or break. Despite those undercurrents or perhaps partly because of them, the partnership often served as a perfect vehicle for Lynch's talents. Man, we used to have a joke in the first band I was in, which was: lower your goals and succeed! It still blows my mind that that shit that I remember cutting like it was last week is still somehowviewed asREAL! And Im a guy that always wanted to be in a band. Its a moment in which these guys, no matter how corny it might sound, they were kind of falling in love with each other. But Saturday night in Boulder, Colorado, he was right back where he should be - backing up Mike Campbell and playing Tom Petty songs. Occupation. His only encounter with Petty in the years that followed took place in 2002 at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, and the only communication he can recall from guitarist Mike Campbell in the two decades since that night was a brief phone call in 2017 shortly after Petty died. [1] Early years [ edit] Lynch was born in Cincinnati, [2] Ohio, U.S., and moved to Gainesville, Florida, in the early 1960s. Not all artists understand that. That's how I see it now. Lynch reflecting on his time in Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: There were many things that were not said that should have been said. The behind-the-scenes look at my books, from research adventures to promotion gambles. It's inevitable that some shit is gonna fly. They werent officially named the Heartbreakers until they came together in Los Angeles in 1976. I know what youre feeling, so get on a plane. So I did. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. I was wearing this brocade jacket and had long, bushy blonde hair. What do you do when you lose inspiration for a period of time? No, he goes out and plays the songs that he wrote. The tension that followed played a significant role in his ultimate departure from the band. (For a detailed account of this saga, check out Warren Zanes definitive book Petty: The Biography. I couldn't believe that I was the odd man out. Out came Petty, walking his walk, carrying the manuscript. Tom Petersson from Cheap Trick - didn't hurt him! Petty is a rock star who is also a member of a band that has been together since the mid-seventies, and it is difficult to be one without undermining the other. Oh, my my, oh, hell yes, did Lynch serve those songs well. I'm not on Mount Rushmore and I don't think I should be! I get it. This is the first time Im talking about it in any depth.. [laughs]. Below Deck Sailing Yachts Daisy Kelliher Is the Best Chief Stew. It's great when you actually find somebody that doesn't hear music the way you do and you start to love them for it. During a three-night stint at the Roxy in L.A., in the mid- eighties, Petty got in touch and invited the group to his place in Encino. So it helps you to step back and maintain that perspective. ', Editors picks By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. When hes telling the story about how his father beat the shit out of him at age five, its hard not to feel something., I cant pretend to know everything that was going through his mind in telling me these things, Zanes added. Thats when it fell apart with Stan., The tensions between Lynch and Petty had been building ever since the late 1980s when Petty recorded with the Traveling Wilburys and followed that up with his first solo album. Stan Lynch Heartbreaking Rhythm. I figured, "Well I'm off the road, my job's done, whoopeeee!" So that was the perspective I had immediately. When he gets married, its the same thing. 'Cause I mean, an artistic life is a pretty bizarre life anyway, a lot of artists don't ever get paid till they're dead, they're not even noticed - and even then! And then I was working with Rick Rubin on a session I think it. It's either the only thing wrong with that band is you're in it, or the only thing wrong with that band is that he's fucked up. Flash forward to the 1980s. Since leaving the Heartbreakers, Lynch has gone on to become a successful producer and songwriter, performing those duties with Henley, the Mavericks, Ringo Starr, Matraca Berg, Toto and many others. Lynch isnt looking for thespotlight anymore, though, according to his interview last week. You keep this band together. Blank Space: What Kind of Genius Is Max Martin? Personally I prefer Stan's style, but Ferrone is excellent in his own right, and I agree Wildflowers was a big peak for Petty. And they don't! We want to hear it. Stan had never heard me sing before, and he was the main harmony singer with Tom. The drummer realized after some point that he didnt want to be in the band anymore due to the personal and musical differences he had with Tom Petty. I dont know what it would mean to them since they have a lot more miles than I do, but it would be a joy for me., Campbell says hes not ready for something like that. I remember having a really hard time once on some track. Mike is a pivotal player in a previous life of mine. So I think that if you're flat, if you've hit a point where you just don't know where the hell to turn, that's usually somebody's way of saying, "Man, you need a bro.". My music life especially has always felt very cartoonish! If you know right from wrong, you speak up. A fun chat with my old friend and original drummer with Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, the great Stan Lynch. I learn from them.. Yeah, you tank. First off, they won't remember, so you've wasted time. Pettys got a very strong voice, of course, but I needed the foil. I have the slang and the cadence and the understanding of how those songs are supposed to be translated. You can actually remain on the pedestal that youve earned as an artist. What do you think are the biggest pitfalls on the road to success, and after you become successful?The biggest pitfalls on the way to success: disillusionment and panic when you're so close. So I think a smart band leader has gotta be a good casting agent and a benevolent dictator. And its a new life. Now theres a book in itself.. But it's a wonderful thing to know that I'm on a journey now. It must be tougher to hang onto the premise of artistic integrity in that situation.Well, conversely, it's a thrill to know that you've had some success. That'll kill you. I could have moved forward without him. This article was published more than7 years ago. And there was always great coffee. He basically has no connection to that family back in Florida. Send us a tip using our anonymous form. But they're in it for a different ride. Or, you know - go grow avocados for a year! So I think nowadays it's so much by rote, your first album can sell a million records, and it's no big deal - they'll still drop you [laughs]. Just don't let too much time go by before you do something or it could be too late. I had to hit myself in the face with one of those lights; when you wake up, you wont remember you were ever in a band. I went and I gave Tom and his family a copy of an Ann Peebles record. Oh yeah, that one never changed. #10. Warren himself had been a Tom Petty fan since he was eleven, when he heard Breakdown on WBCN in Boston. So it's like, my life feels more cartoonish to me than dour and dark. Andrew Witmer Stan Lynch, the bands longtime drummer, who eventually quit in 1994, is unsurprisingly the most critical of Petty. srlynch@stanford.edu. You learn them. 90.9 KB Views: 172. Lynchs current shows with Campbell will end in June. Lynch accepted the offer, and the two re-established their musical partnership. Its because hes trying to succeed at something that his own family failed at, sometimes dramatically. Stan Lynch is really an overlooked player in rock. Heartbreakers Howie Epstein was cut loose because of his heroin addiction. I favor Petty. That was another experience for me, says Lynch. Combine that with a finely honed sense of dynamics, a big signature tone featuring huge toms and in-your-face snare, and an uncanny attentiveness to every moment of a performance, and you may as well have custom designed the ideal rock drummer. Just go! Songwriter, musician. Basically, youre witnessing the birth of the Traveling Wilburys. Petty gave him complete editorial freedom, and told him that he could interview whomever he liked, because thats how Tom Petty does things. Pettys only condition was that he get to read the completed manuscript and be given the opportunity to respond to anything he felt needed it. And it hasn't taken me very seriously. Hep Alien and Yannick like this. Its become a very special moment and the crowd picked up on the love between us.. To me, it was like, "Who gives a fuck? Youll know it when you know it. Sure enough, we went back to the studio and we got two tracks that night. He didnt ever get a trampoline out and do a backflip. . ', But when he went to speak, he found himself tentatively agreeing to the plan. Among his more pointed criticisms concern the song "Stop Draggin' My Heart. Zanes also coaxed Stan Lynch, the ex-drummer of Petty's longtime backing band, The Heartbreakers, to talk unflinchingly about his falling-out with Petty. Joe Jackson, Past, Present, and Fast Forward, A New York Doll Gets the Scorsese Treatment. And I thought, Okay well, youre being paid like its main gig. I had a feeling that the dough was the only reason he hadnt walked off yet.. We hit a really sweet harmony, says Campbell. Stan: He taught me a lot, sometimes in very abstract ways. I didnt talk to the Bogdanovich people, Lynch says. Copyright 2023 Modern Drummer Publications. If a band leader had any energy left over to encourage others, they could, and it's good to include people. At one point, he said, Warren, Im going to have to answer questions about this for the rest of my life. And I said, I know.. So I wanted to put the drums down. When he gets into a rock band, thats like the second chance to have a family. Video unavailable So he tells me hes taking me to a Bob Marley & The Wailers gig, and he flips me the keys to his Ferrari. For now, though, this feature on one of rocks most tasteful timekeepersa true player of the songwill do, for theres plenty to discuss with Lynch. We played with X, we played with Gun Club, but we never stopped loving Tom Petty, Zanes said. Stan Lynch's income source is mostly from being a successful . How do you think you can keep that going?Discipline. Someones passing a joint through the balcony and Denny says, Thats what a feel is. He was just being helpful in his very 70s way. Earlier this year, Stan Lynch reunited with his former bandmate, Mike Campbell, when Campbell asked him to join him on the road with the Dirty Knobs. And hes just kind of patting this thing and Im thinking, This could go any one of ten thousand ways. I remember when the other guys I was working with would say, "We're only making 300 a week!" It wasn't that I was gonna be a professor or a model or a car driver or a brilliant architect. Those that have done their homework and that are honest and humble, you can't stop 'em! He takes a Sharpie and signs it for me for every Beatle and hands it back to me. The Heartbreakers are hardly a case study in intolerance. I felt like, perhaps, Id made all the noise I could. Paper, rock, scissors!". I was so vibed. That extends to interviews. You know? We have a freedom to walk down the street and meet people. Rolling Stone is a part of Penske Media Corporation. We have the same musical pulse we always had, says Campbell. Stan Lynch page 2.jpg. Theres more to this interview! He referred to my old band as the Del Tacos. . And I was poised to do that. When youve worked with bands like Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers,Aretha Franklin, Stevie Nicks andthe Eagles, its not a strange thing to be interviewed. I dont know how thats going to feel. At 45, Stan Lynch appears to be comfortably making the transition from archetypal wild rock drummer to trusted elder statesman - all the while retaining the same enthusiasm that made him stand out as a drummer, showing a keen interest in helping young artists through the struggles of building a career. In the warts-and-all film, Lynchs multi-faceted role as steady drummer/class clown/cheerleader/ball breaker/whipping boy was discussed at some length, though his side of the story was represented mostly through older interviews. Merrill Lynch CEO Stan O'Neal, shown in a 2003 file photo, is a numbers person in what is, at its heart, a people business. Really hurts some guys. I didnt even speak to him at the Hall of Fame, says Lynch. If you, at 45 now, were to run into yourself at 20, what advice would you give to yourself?Whew! I know Im not a great singer, but I can get the point across, he says. 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But if its all of us without Tom, theres this big hole in the room. There sat the fantastic coffee. Now, everybody has a CD. Stan Lynch. Bio; Contact. [laughter] I mean, I know that. I don't know, I can only speak from my own experience. I was very grateful. Heres why hes finally talking about it. With $100 in his pocket, Stan Lynch drove his dad's VW bus from Florida across country to L.A. in 1974. I think I have some Tom nuances in my voice. 2023 Rolling Stone, LLC. Joined Jun 3, 2013 Messages 1,601 Reaction score I park and go to the lounge outside his studio. 6,156. In 1970 or 1969 when I told my father I was gonna become a professional musician, I may as well have told him I was gonna wear a tutu and dance with bears in the circus [laughs]. So, in some ways it's harder for the same reasons it's easier, if that makes any sense. 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